242: Are Germs The Enemy?

Most of our lives we’ve been told to avoid spreading or catching germs, in order to not get sick or make someone else ill. But what if we’ve misunderstood the role of germs in our body? What if germs do not actually cause disease?

Today, Dr. Andy Kaufman, molecular biologist and psychiatrist, helps us wrap our heads around germ theory and contrasts it with terrain theory. He defines both and clarifies how our modern medical system is largely based on the former. He also gives his take on the coronavirus and offers some surprising ideas about how to nurture health. It’s a deep dive on the true manifestation of disease that is especially important at this time.

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As children on the playground, we would avoid boys, oftentimes saying that they had cooties. Do you remember that? Boys would do the same thing with girls. Now that we’ve grown up, we may see things differently, but we still see germs the same way. We think that they are to be avoided at all costs because they can lead to disease but is it possible that we have misunderstood germs as we misunderstood the boys on the playground? This is episode 242 and our guest is Dr. Andy Kaufman.

Andy has a BS from MIT in Molecular Biology, and he completed his psychiatric training at Duke University Medical Center. After graduating from the Medical University of South Carolina, he is a researcher, lecturer and mentor of medical students in all psychiatric specialties. Andy helps us explore germ theory and he contrasts it with terrain theory. What we hear in this conversation could be a huge paradigm shifter for us in terms of how we understand illnesses, disease, our current health crisis and paths for healing.

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Welcome to wise traditions, Andy.

Thank you for having me here, Hilda.

Andy, I feel like I wanted to have you on because you’re bringing a lot to bear when it comes to information on the virus and the science behind Koch’s postulates and all that, but to be honest with you, I am coming to you with a little bit of Coronavirus fatigue. Do you know what I’m talking about?

I know exactly what you’re talking about and I’ve been complaining about this already. There’s a lot of other things I would like to spend my time researching besides this, but unfortunately, this is what the situation necessitates.

It is unfortunate because I think it’s weighing us all down. That’s why I hope in this conversation that we can focus on some positive, some ways in which we can cultivate our health. As a matter of fact, I have a friend who was posting something about how she’s choosing not to wear a mask and people were calling her a killer. They were giving her the hardest time because she’s not wearing a mask. Shouldn’t it be like this?

WT 242 | Germs — Germs: The modern allopathic healthcare system is based on the germ theory that says some microorganisms cause illnesses in us, and there’s nothing we can do about it except trust the healthcare system to take care of us.

This is peer pressure gone wild and masks are such a barrier to having social interactions. You can’t see the other person’s facial expressions. Think about who wears masks. It’s bank robbers and bandits.

I look around my neighborhood and I’m like, “I don’t even know who these people are.” It’s very surreal. Tell me, did you actually get fired for not wearing a mask?

There was an executive order that came down in New York State that employees who deal with the public are supposed to wear a mask. I refuse to do that because it obstructs your breathing and plus, there is no benefit that’s ever been shown in any study. How can I provide psychiatric services when I’m hiding behind a mask? I explained my position and I suggested that I should be allowed to do telepsychiatry from a remote video location. That’s actually a standard thing in the field and almost all the other mental health providers in the community were doing that, but they did not find that to be acceptable and instead decided to terminate my contract.

You’re sounding very matter of fact, but that must have been unexpected. Did you think it would come down the pike like that?

I didn’t think so because it wasn’t related to some deficiency in my work or some ethical mistake that I made. I thought they would be reasonable and allow me to telecommute. They already had given me permission to do that on a limited basis in case my children’s mother also had to work at the same time. I didn’t see it as a big change from that. I was quite surprised and astonished when they actually gave me the decision in writing.

You’re a free man now.

Of course, I’m sad about some of the kids that I was working with there that I had to suddenly leave them on those terms, but as for my career and my work, I feel like I have much to do. I was busy trying to manage that job with all of the natural healing consultations, interviews and research that I’ve been doing. It was a blessing in disguise that opened up sometime in my schedule. Many people came to offer their support, helping me develop a business strategy that I can replace the lost income and make sure my family doesn’t suffer as a result of what happened.

I’m grateful that you made the time and now you have the time to talk to us. I want to focus on positive things that we can do to shore up our health and maybe we should begin by talking about this germ theory versus terrain theory. Can you go into that a little bit and how that’s relevant nowadays?

I think much of the modern allopathic healthcare system is based on germ theory, not just germ theory and the fact that germs cause disease, but also the warfare military model that goes along with it. That basically says there are some agent that we have no control over that causes illness in us. There’s nothing we could do about it except basically trust the healthcare system to take care of us. This is a paradigm that works well as a business model because it makes people dependent on the system and they don’t provide any cures for any of these conditions.

You have an ongoing dependence over the course of your lifetime. What germ theory is, is the idea that was first thought of after the microscope was invented and people observed microorganisms like bacteria and fungi. They began looking at people’s disease tissue under the microscope and they saw that there were bacteria there on many occasions. They got the idea that bacteria actually invade the organism and cause the disease, but the thing about this is that it was never scientifically proven. In fact, there’s substantial scientific evidence to refute it that comes from some older scientific studies done by Antoine Béchamp and his contemporaries.

I’ve heard of Béchamp because I think he was a contemporary of Pasteur. Is that right?

Actually, Pasteur stole a lot of his work from Béchamp. There’s a famous experiment that Pasteur did where he went around the country to famous vineyards. I think it was in the South of France. He captured the air from those vineyards. Inside the bottle where he captured the air, he showed that fermentation was taking place. This was allegedly the proof that microorganisms cause disease. They based all of this on a model of fermentation, which is how you make wine and beer and it’s not directly related to infection.

There was this little competition, basically, between Pasteur and Béchamp.

I wouldn’t call it exactly a competition because Béchamp was like a real serious scientist and he was constantly in the laboratory and doing more experiments and trying to figure out what’s going on with microorganisms. Pasteur was not a formally trained scientist in the field of medicine or physiology. He was much more of an opportunist. When he heard about a successful experiment that Béchamp and other scientists, he would basically replicate that experiment and try to pass it off as if it were his own, he was very involved with the aristocracy and France and took every opportunity to kowtow to them and built his reputation. That’s probably how he had many things named after him and got all the credit for germ theory.

I’m thinking nobody’s ever heard of Béchamp or most people haven’t.

I had not even heard of Béchamp until I started to study this area.

Talk to us about the crux of the germ theory.

The germ theory states that there is a microorganism of some sort that invades our body and causes disease. This has been attributed to various bacteria, funguses, as well as viruses, which are the most relevant to nowadays issues. In order to demonstrate that this is the case for one particular microorganism, there was a gentleman named Robert Koch and he was a microbiologist and physician from Germany. He didn’t come up with these ideas himself, but he codified them into what’s known as Koch’s postulates.

These are a set of four common-sense rules of how you would go about proving that a particular microorganism causes a particular disease. What they state is firstly, that there is a characterized set of symptoms that makes up the disease and then you can isolate the pathologic microorganism from people with those symptoms but not from healthy people. That’s the first postulate. The second postulate is that you can grow that isolated microorganism in a purified culture.

I think I know what the third one is. Let me see if I get it right. Is that you can replicate the symptoms by putting that microorganism in an animal and it will have the same symptoms that the person had that was sick?

You’re absolutely correct and ideally, it should be in another human host, but if that is not possible for ethical reasons, then an animal model can sometimes be used. The fourth one is that you can then re-isolate the same organism from the diseased tissue of the now infected host.

I’ve heard of these postulates and my understanding is this used to be like the gold standard for determining if a virus was contagious and indeed causing illness, is that right?

This is not related to contagiousness, but it is how one proves that a particular microorganism causes disease. It’s not that it used to be the gold standard. It’s still the gold standard. When I went to medical school, I was taught that this was the burden by which all these things had to be proved, but they didn’t actually demonstrate the proof for any particular disease. They did say that. I know from an acquaintance who’s in nursing school that they have taught her the same exact thing.

I guess the reason I said it used to be is because I’ve heard that not all viruses, including SARS, Ebola and Zika, have met the standard. In other words, that they’ve gone through this process, Koch’s postulates to see if this is a disease, indeed, that it’s caused by a certain microorganism. That’s why I said it isn’t always used because it’s not used anymore. Is that right?

I wouldn’t say that because, in one of my presentations, I actually talked about an article from 2003 about the original SARS or allegedly SARS virus, which has called SARS-CoV1, which is what the current virus is named after. This is an article from Nature that said that Koch’s postulates were satisfied, but when I scrutinized that article and looked at the proof that they offered, I found that actually, that wasn’t the case at all.

In other words, this is still the standard that’s used to determine if a microorganism is causing a disease, but not many of the diseases have been labeled with it. That’s what I’m trying to get at.

It’s much worse than that. I’m not aware of one single disease that has satisfied Koch’s postulates. I’ll give you an example of a common disease that would fail on the first criteria and that’s strep throat. Now we all have personal experience either with ourselves or a loved one having strep throat in our lifetime and we’ve been told that it’s a throat infection caused by streptococcus bacteria. The fact is that streptococcus is present in all of us. It’s one of our natural bacterial organisms as part of our microbe. If I were to take 100 healthy people and culture that our throat, in many of them, I would find streptococcus.

That means it doesn’t meet criteria number one of Koch’s postulates.

How could something that’s present in healthy people cause disease?

You’re blowing my mind right now. We’ve always thought it’s contagious and we’ve always thought it’s come from that strep bacteria. If that’s not the case, how are people getting it?

There is some difficulty in answering that question for any particular illness because since the medical establishment has always accepted germ theory as being true, even though, of course, it’s still called a theory, they’ve not funded any research to look for other causes of illness. I definitely have some ideas and I know that I have recommended information that has led to people healing from various types of infections, but I can’t point to a single scientific study that looks at alternative causes and validates them.

Can we contrast this now with terrain theory?

The initial observation that bacteria were present at the site of disease in some illnesses is quite interesting and how you interpret that because it was interpreted under germ theory as the cause of the disease. Let’s say that there was a burning house and you went to that house to observe the fire and then you saw firefighters there. Would you blame firefighters for starting the fire?

No, because we know they’re there to help.

If you didn’t know that and you saw them there and did blame them well, that’s the same thing that germ theory did with the bacteria. There’s an alternative theory that actually came out of the same body of scientific experiments. There were further experiments done by Béchamp actually that proved that you don’t need to have a microorganism come from the outside in order for fermentation to take place.

There was intense interest in the idea that microorganisms may come from inside of us. There were a couple of German scientists who were real pioneers in this field by the name of Enderlein and Naessens. What they were able to demonstrate are quite amazing to me because I had never learned about this in my medical career. You can actually observe microorganisms budding out of our cells. There’s a special name for these, it’s called they’re called somatids or protits, depending on which scientist’s work you’re looking at. They go through the cycle where they develop and differentiate into mature forms of all the different bacteria and fungi that are in our body normally.

If I’m understanding you correctly, you’re saying that our bodies may actually create these viruses or bacteria themselves. It’s not coming from outside of us.

I’m not sure that this includes viruses, but it definitely includes bacteria and fungi. In traditional or allopathic medicine, they use the type of microscopes where you have to only be able to look at dead tissue because they require to be stained. They have to fix and stay in the tissue, which kills it. You can observe any living cells, but there’s another type of microscopy called dark field microscopy. If you use that type of microscope, which is not used in allopathic medicine, you can actually observe living cells.

If you were to take a blood sample and look at it under a dark field microscope, you would see these little specks of light inside the red blood cells. If the person was in a diseased state, you would actually be able to observe them budding out of the cells and you would see different forms of those protits present that we’re developing into mature bacteria and fungi. There are some practitioners that can actually tell something about the nature of the illness based on which particular species are developed through this process.

How does this relate to terrain theory? What is the main thing we’re trying to get across here?

Terrain theory basically looks at the microorganisms as performing the same function that we see them in nature. If you’re walking through the woods and there’s a fallen animal that has been dead, you see it decomposing, you know that there are microorganisms that are decomposing it to return the elements from that being back into the soil and into the ecosystem. Essentially the same thing happens inside of our bodies, according to terrain theory.

There would be the initial acute phase of the illness, where there is some insult. Let’s say most likely it would be some type of toxic exposure. There is a toxin in your body that could come from within or without and it causes some damage to some tissue in your body. Then you may not actually have symptoms during that phase of the illness, or if you do, they would be relatively mild. This would be equivalent to what is sometimes described as a prodrome in a viral or other illness.

Once the damage is done, then the body calls upon a cleanup recycle and repair team and that includes our immune system and it includes these microorganisms that it summons from the blood or other parts of your body. They come in together with our immune system to clean up the debris and the dead tissue that’s there so that it could be recycled or exposed if there are toxic materials. This is when we have symptoms because there are various factors secreted both by our immune system and the microorganisms that cause secretions when we get a runny nose, for example, or a post-nasal drip.

It also causes inflammation in that area, which actually serves to bring more blood supply, bring nutrients and take away waste products. This is when we feel ill, but it’s actually the recovery phase of the illness. It’s our body doing the repair work that causes these symptoms to come about. Once the process is complete, then the system shuts itself down and the microorganisms go away and the immune system goes away. The newly repaired tissue is then ready to do its job.

Espousing or embracing, let’s say, the terrain theory, how does that help us perceive illness? How does it help us in life?

It’s actually a totally different way than we’re used to of looking upon this because one, it allows us to identify what may be the true cause of the illness, which in my experience is generally either some toxic exposure, some missing nutrition or a combination of both. If we can discover the underlying causes, then we can design a therapy or we can correct the problem to prevent it from happening again.

The other major part of it that would change how you think is that realizing that when you’re experiencing the symptoms of an acute illness, that’s actually your body healing. If you try to suppress those symptoms with a variety of medications and such, you’re actually suppressing the body’s healing. I think the worst possible example of this would be using something like antibiotics.

The word antibiotic actually means against life. What it does is that it doesn’t kill bacteria at the site of that repair, but it kills bacteria throughout your body. At the time of germ theory, it was not known that our cells are made up of ten times as many foreign cells as they are human cells and those are all microorganisms. We’ve now realized that our body can’t survive without microorganisms. If the microorganisms in our body are impaired, it results in more disease. By giving antibiotics, not only are you interrupting the recovery phase of the illness, but you’re also causing damage throughout the body that can have serious consequences in some cases.

A friend of mine said once, “It’s like setting off a bomb and your garage to get rid of some rats. You might get rid of the rats, but you’re also going to like lose everything that’s in there and part of your house.”

That’s what we’re doing every time we use antibiotics. They do appear to work because they relieve those symptoms, as I explained, but they actually leave us in a situation where we’re much more likely to have that same illness come back because the repair work was not fully done. Our body may initiate a program to complete the repair that would make us feel sick again. I think this is the most likely explanation for recurrent ear infections in children, for example.

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When I interviewed Dr. Tom Cowan, he said that it is possible, it is a theory, that the Coronavirus is actually simply our body detoxing and ourselves emitting these exosomes as we get rid of some poisons and toxins in our body or our body makes an effort to repair itself. Would you say that fits the terrain theory model?

It’s definitely not inconsistent with the terrain theory. I might slightly disagree on some finer points with that. I want to first say that in my opinion, there’s no evidence based on mortality figures and there’s further no evidence based on the science claiming to isolate this COVID-related virus, that there actually is a virus or any new illness whatsoever. Exosomes are something that all of the cells in our body and, in fact, all mammalian cells make.

They are little vesicles that come off of ourselves and they have genetic material like we’re told viruses do. They usually have a receptor on their membrane, which targets them to some other part of your body. It’s only been known by scientists that these exist for about 30 years. It’s a relatively new field of science and most papers say that the primary function of the exosome is actually in intracellular communication. That’s communicating between cells that are not near each other.

It’s secreted by one cell in response to some insult and then it finds its target cell by a special lock and key mechanism. It then transmits information through the genetic material to that target cell. Exosome expression can be induced by a number of factors, including exposure to various toxins, acute infections, asthma, cancer, antibiotics, and ionizing radiation and there are papers showing all of those things.

There is one paper I found that was very compelling, where it showed that exosomes were able to take up toxins after they were excreted. In the experiment, it actually saved the cells from these toxins. Whereas when they mix cells without exosomes with the toxins, those cells died. There could be a very important detoxification role for the exosomes, but it hasn’t been fully explored in the research yet.

I want to go back to the thing you said right away, Andy, when I asked about the exosomes and you were like, “I don’t know that this is a new virus.” Were you saying that it’s something that we’re dealing with like any other sickness?

It depends on how you look at this. If you want to look at, for example, the mortality data, all of the public health organizations have instructed doctors to fill out death certificates erroneously. They were told to put COVID-19 as the cause of death, even when there are no tests, even when there’s the only suspicion that it might be related to the death. You can’t trust the numbers. I was looking at overall mortality. If you go on the CDC website, you’ll see they have a graph where they keep track of all the COVID deaths, but they also have a category for all-cause mortality. They compare these numbers with an average of the last three years’ mortality numbers. This is done on a weekly basis from January 1st to the present time.

When I checked it, it said that basically year to date, 2020, compared to the average of the last three years, we actually have 6% fewer deaths than the last three years. That amounts to over 44,000 people that are still alive this year that last year may have perished. Since we have a situation where we actually have lower mortality, we have empty hospitals. We have healthcare workers being laid off. I don’t see any evidence whatsoever of any new, dangerous or deadly disease.

Why are we so afraid?

I think the main reason is because we’ve been told to be afraid. We’ve been told by the media primarily, and they have given us all scary numbers based on wild computer models that are totally inaccurate. It’s based on misrepresenting the data based on scary predictions from so-called experts who are designated as such. All of this information practically is misinformation. That’s the reason people are so scared and willing to go along with quite drastic measures that take away some of our most fundamental freedom.

Is that why you were willing to lose your job, actually? Is that why you stood strong on such a small matter as a mask?

I don’t see a mask as a small matter because, to me, it erases one of the fundamental things about being human, which is being able to show your face. Think about the significance of not being able to show your face in public. That’s a sign of shame and I have nothing to be ashamed about. I retain my dignity and my right to move around freely and to show my face in public.

As a psychiatrist, you know the importance of humans looking at each other in the face and interpreting facial expressions. That’s part of our social connection. How is this current situation affecting our psyche?

As a psychiatrist, one of the things that you see that happens is that people tell you dark things about their life. Many times, they actually tell you things that they’ve not told anyone else before. Could you imagine if someone is telling me about something serious, embarrassing, horrible and they can’t see my reaction? They could think that I’m mocking them underneath the mask and imagine what damage that might do to someone who’s talking about their trauma in the first place.

I can’t imagine that would be horrible and unsettling. It might have them regress in their mental health progress. Going back to germ theory versus terrain, how many scientists or doctors now espouse the terrain theory versus the germ theory?

It would be a good idea to take a survey, but I’ll tell you that there’s only a handful, especially of any doctors who are practicing mainstream medicine. I have come across quite a number of people who are willing to look at things differently, who realized that if they stay in the main system and keep prescribing all the drugs. They’re actually not only not helping many people but hurting and responsible for the deaths of many people. Once the doctor realizes those things and confronts it, then they start to open up to look at these other aspects but there aren’t many, I’ll tell you that.

That doesn’t surprise me, but I’m hopeful because it seems to me if I were constantly giving out prescriptions for different drugs like you’re saying that I realize aren’t helping my patients, but keeping them instead dependent on me, I would get tired of that. I would think there has to be a different way.

That’s exactly the experience I went through and I noticed it early that I’m told to give all these psychiatric medications to people as the primary treatment. With a few rare exceptions, no one is getting any benefit from it. As I got more experience and was on my own, I was able to make decisions and I started becoming conservative with medications and taking many people off medications. Ultimately, all I did was taper people off medications and there was only one medication that I ever started people on. It was a blood pressure medicine that helped with traumatic nightmares and was successful. That’s one of the rare exceptions, but most of the medications I learned about later actually hasten people’s death.

I’m talking about antipsychotics, as well as antidepressant medicines, as well as sedating sleeping medicines. They’ve all been shown in large studies to decrease people’s overall survival. Even among teenagers, there was a large study done in Tennessee looking at children and teenagers who are taking antipsychotics. It’s interesting because they call this a high dose, but actually, it was not a high dose at all.

It was above the starting dose for all these different medications. What they found is that substantial numbers of these children had sudden death out of the blue and well beyond what is expected for their age group. These are some seriously dangerous medications and if they’re not shown to have any benefit, then any risk associated with them is too much risk to bear.

I agree wholeheartedly and I know the foundation is always looking for ways to shore up people’s health naturally, and that includes their mental health. As we start to wrap up, Andy, let me ask you if we do believe in this train theory, and we do believe that our bodies are often detoxing or coping with toxins and that perhaps we can strengthen them. What are some ideas you have for strengthening our body’s health overall?

The two major things you can do is one, decrease your exposure to toxins as much as possible and, at the same time, have some pathway for your body to eliminate the excess because we’re all exposed to many things that it’s not possible in the current day and age to completely avoid. The other thing is to get the proper nutrition and that requires a little bit of research to figure out what that is because there are hundreds of different ideas about nutrition. I’ve had to change my recommendations many times over the years because the research can be so confusing. I think I’m at a pretty good point at this time. I’ll tell you that two things that so many people are deficient in are cholesterol and collagen.

A lot of readers of the foundation know we are all about egg yolks and cholesterol in the diet. We don’t believe it causes heart disease and we’re also all about bone broth, a great source of collagen. You are preaching to the choir here.

I thought that since knowing about Weston A. Price’s discovery of vitamin K2, although he didn’t discover it directly, that it fits with the type of nutrition I’m talking about.

Let’s get specific, too, about the detoxing and the toxins. You said, “Reduce the toxins.” What do you do personally to do that in your life?

I do quite a number of things, but I think the biggest source of toxins is food and water. I recommend that you stick to whole organic foods and avoid processed foods. Basically, processed food would be anything in a package that has more than one ingredient and that’s a pretty conservative definition, but you can’t go wrong if you follow that. If you want to buy packaged foods, perhaps dried beans might be acceptable if you tolerate beans well.

What I mean by whole foods are basically foods that are in their natural form. They look like they do in nature. If you stick to 100% organic, grow your own, which is the best way. Make sure that you have your soil tested first. If you can find local growers with who you can develop a relationship with and you know how they grow their food and you trust them, that’s also an excellent way to go.

As far as your water, I recommend that the only two methods that take out all of the toxic impurities would be reverse osmosis or distilled water. I know some people are concerned that water is dead and it is, but you can bring it back to life with things like vortexing or expressing your good intentions toward the water. You can replace trace minerals. I don’t think you can rely on any water source these days to give you adequate trace minerals. I recommend that you supplement with a fulvic mineral or Shilajit to make sure you have adequate trace minerals.

Thank you for that specific advice. That’s great. I thought you were going to mention vortexing water because I’ve heard of that from Dr. Tom Cowan, also, the whole structured water idea.

It also mixes gas from the air with the water, which brings more life to it as well.

Here at the Weston A. Price Foundation, we talk a lot about raw milk and how that’s a living product. It’s interesting to think about wanting our water to be living as well.

Why would you put something dead into a living body?

I want to ask you the question I often pose at the end now, Andy. You’ve already given us some nice guidelines, but if the readers could only one thing to improve their health, what would you recommend that they do?

More as I research, I actually think that water is the one most important thing and I don’t mean having clean water or adequate water. Water has many functions in our body. The shapes of our biomolecules are dependent on the structure of water and there’s some interesting research that was initially done by Dr. Emoto Masaru. He would take beakers of water and have people give different intentions to the water. For example, if they were to give hope or gratitude to the water and then you flash freeze the water and look under a microscope, you’d see a beautiful hexagonal crystal that looks like a snowflake. If you instead say to the water, “You’re an idiot, I hate you,” or things like that, and then do the same experiment, what you see under the microscope is like a dark malformed, irregular blob of ice.

Water has this memory and it’s affected by emotional intention. I know this sounds fantastic, but I’ve seen it myself and I’ve utilized this. You could describe our bodies as actually water containers. They’re made up of 75% to 80% water. I’ve discovered that if you give that same intention of hope, gratitude or love to the water in your own body, it actually has quite a profound effect on how you feel. When I do it and I’ve done this with my children, we get a tingly, euphoric feeling and end up not being able to hold back a smile. I would encourage you to try this experiment at home and see if you can get those results. I think there’s a lot of promise in this that could potentially heal people even from serious illnesses if it’s developed appropriately.

Andy that is beautiful. I’ve never heard anything like that. I’m grateful that you took the time to be with us. Thank you so much.

You’re welcome. It was a pleasure.

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Our guest was Dr. Andy Kaufman. Visit his website for more resources, AndrewKaufmanMD.com. You can find me on Instagram @HolisticHilda. Before we go, let me read to you a testimonial from the Summer 2019 Journal from Mary and Florida. “Thank you so much for the coffee article from the Winter Journal 2018. I am 64 years old and only became a coffee drinker in the last ten years after hearing the health hype about it from sources I trusted.”

“Your article was the information and the kick in the pants I needed to act on what I had already known and read over 40 years ago and all three of Adele Davis’s books from the 1950s. Caffeine, by definition, is a toxin to the body and though it can be remedial, as drugs can be, it’s also dangerous and even deadly. I easily switched to chicory without a hiccup at all and found that my body is showing some good signs that I made the right decision.”

“Number one, I have less hair loss. Number two, I have scaly rough patches alongside my nose that are improving. Three, my teeth are clearer of plaque and tartar. Four, my gallbladder pain has become less acute. Five, I did this primarily for adrenal health and to counteract edema, both of which are improving. I hadn’t expected that much so soon, but I am heartened by all these changes and hope to see more as my body is able to use the excellent food, I eat to better advantage.” Mary, this is so encouraging. Thank you for your testimonial and thank you to each one of you for reading. I appreciate it and wish you well. Stay well, my friend, and see you next time.

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About Dr. Andy Kaufman

Andy Kaufman, M.D. is a natural healing consultant, inventor, public speaker, forensic psychiatrist, and expert witness. He completed his psychiatric training at Duke University Medical Center after graduating from the Medical University of South Carolina, and has a B.S. from M.I.T. in Molecular Biology.

He has conducted and published original research and lectured, supervised, and mentored medical students, residents, and fellows in all psychiatric specialties. He has been qualified as an expert witness in local, state, and federal courts. He has held leadership positions in academic medicine and professional organizations. He ran a start-up company to develop a medical device he invented and patented.