RFID: A Livestock Surveillance System Poses a Threat to Food Freedom

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Radio Frequency ID (or RFID) has been presented as something of a modern-day branding system, allowing for the identification of cattle and other livestock on farms across the U.S. That sounds benign enough…until you realize that RFID is actually a livestock surveillance system that poses a threat to our farmers’ rights to raise their animals without government interference and may impinge on the free market relationship between farmers and consumers.

John Moody, co-founder of the Rogue Food conferences, explains today exactly what’s at stake when it comes to legislation in the works for RFID (radio frequency ID). He starts with reviewing the history of legislators attempting to regulate how farmers manage livestock. He goes over the implications of RFID’s gathering data on the location of livestock as well as accessing their vaccination schedule and more. And the ways in which this slants the market in favor of bug-based food. He also explains why consumers should be concerned since even a private buying agreement doesn’t keep them unaffected by this initiative (should it pass). Finally he offers action steps we can take to prevent this Big Brother kind of governmental overreach related to our food freedom.

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Episode Transcript

Hey, Hilda. Here. Radio frequency ID or RFID, has been presented as something of a modern day branding system allowing for the identification of cattle and other livestock on farms across the US. That sounds benign enough until you realize that RFID is actually a livestock surveillance system that poses a threat to our farmers’ rights to raise their animals without government interference, and it may impinge on the free market relationship between farmers and consumers. This is a bonus episode, unnumbered and tossed in the mix of our usual lineup because of the urgency of the matter. Our guest today is John moody. He is the author of The Frugal Homesteader and co founder of the rogue food conferences. John explains today exactly what’s going on when it comes to RFID, this radio frequency ID program. He starts with reviewing the history of legislators attempting to regulate how farmers manage their livestock, and he goes over the implications of RFID’s gathering data on the location of livestock, as well as access to their vaccination schedule and more, and the ways in which this initiative slants the market in favor of bug based food. He also explains why consumers should be concerned about this, and how even a private buying agreement doesn’t keep us unaffected by this initiative. Should it pass? Finally, John offers action steps that we can take to prevent this big brother kind of governmental overreach related to our food freedom. There will be no ads today. We are not stopping. We’re going right through in this important conversation with John. And if you would like to support the work of the Weston A Price Foundation, new members can join now at the discounted price of $25 only, in support of our 25th anniversary. So go today to join to westonaprice.org and I will put a link in the show description so you can sign up right away. It’s only $25 for the year, and that’s cheaper than some monthly gym memberships, right? Thank you so much for supporting this work. This is Hilda Labrada Gore, and you’re listening to Wise Traditions. Welcome to Wise Traditions. John,

John
Hey, thank you for having me.

Hilda
When I first heard about RFID, the first thing that came to my mind was pickpocketing, because I had heard that there was a way that people could kind of scan our information from our wallet, take our credit card info and use it against us. But what does RFID have to do with farming and food freedom?

John
Yeah, so RFID radio frequency, ID identification, just so listeners know exactly what we’re talking about, is an idea that goes back easily to the 1990s maybe even earlier, in the animal livestock industry. And you know, most animals that we eat, especially larger animals, beef, pigs and whatnot, they’re tracked. And historically, you know, way back in the day, they were tracked using brands. So if you watch old western movies. What was the purpose of brands? The brands is how you knew whose cattle were, whose. and they could even customize brands, you know, so they know which years cattle were, which years, you know, all kinds of things you could do. And then farmers moved to ear tagging, you know, probably my guess is, in the 60s or so, obviously didn’t happen all at once. And then probably in the late 80s into the early 90s, the beef industry, which changed immeasurably after the 70s. You know, so before the wholesome meat act of the 1970s the US meat industry was this diverse cacophony of 1000s of players across all different regions, you know. So I always like to tell people, when you walk into a grocery store today, you get the illusion of diversity and choice without the substance. 85% of beef eaten in America comes from four or five companies. But, but you go to the grocery store and you see all of these different brands, and you go to all these different restaurants. You know, you you could choose between McDonald’s and Burger King and Wendy’s and all of these places. And you have the illusion of choice without the actual substance of choice.

Hilda
I understand what you’re saying, because it happens in many layers in society. And we interviewed AJ Richards, who suggested the same thing, he said there are only a few actually meat providers in the US. All of this meat from these different farmers and so forth, kind of gets funneled through these big providers. Is that right?

John
Exactly. So there’s actually only a few players who control 85% or more of all beef eaten in America, and they don’t like the old style tags. The tags are a lot more work for them to deal with, and this that and the other and the tags don’t give them the level of oversight and control over the farmers that they would like to see. And that’s why they’re pushing for this upgraded tagging system, you know. So this is, I think, the fifth or sixth iteration that we’ve been fighting in terms of animal ID. The first one I was exposed to was back in 2006, 7, 8, and 9. That was called NAIS, the national animal identification system, and that was a really cool program. The USDA did not want to know why the chicken crossed the road, but they did want to know when and where the chicken crossed the road, and if the chicken crossed the road and you didn’t call the USDA with when and where, they had a 1-800 hotline set up. If you did not call when the chicken crossed the road, you faced multiple $1,000 fines for every single offense.

Hilda
Oh, my goodness. Okay, so what you’re describing is not just modern branding. In other words, people that are trying to fight this RFID, it’s not that they’re Luddites and think I don’t want to be able to distinguish my animals from yours, or my herd from this other herd. It’s more they’re trying to protect our freedom to farm in the way that serves us and our customers best. Because this sounds like an overreach from the government’s authority.

John
Yes, and, and, you know, there, there’s a number of aspects to this that make it problematic. Because, again, we already know from when they tried to pass the national animal identification system that their goal was to, you know, basically, be able to track the movement of every farmer’s individual animals at all times, it was a surveillance system of farmers, just unimagined and unheard of in the history of the world, you know. So it’s an inherent privacy violation. Why do they need to know, literally, where every single cow in America is at all times?

Hilda
And why do they need to know, what is their justification for this?

John
Well, it’s food safety, disease outbreaks, you know, quarantine and tracking. I mean, why did they want to make people wear trackers during the coronavirus scamdemic? You know, everything is always done under the guise of public safety. If I walk up to you and say, I’m beating you up and taking your money because I’m a bad person and I just want your stuff, nobody does that. But if I walk up to you and say, hey, you need to give me your money because I’m going to protect you from somebody, a lot of people find that compelling for some reason, even if the somebody they’re protecting you from as a boogeyman,

Hilda
Right, right? It sounds like a kind of Mafia situation,

John
Yeah, well, and the meat industry really is a mafia situation. So in my adult life, I’ve had only a handful of situations where I was threatened with physical harm, where somebody was going to… they threatened to actually hurt me, and one of them was, I guess it would have been back in maybe 2014 here in Kentucky, some friends asked me to work on a piece of legislation to codify protection for raw milk in the state of Kentucky. And as part of this bill, I was required to go to Kentucky’s capital, Frankfort, and me and a few friends met with other stakeholders, in terms of people who the bill would impact. The other stakeholders were the Kentucky dairy Federation. I think they’re called, like the KDFA or something. This is a group. This is an organization who, in the late 1990s Kentucky had over 8000 independent dairy farms in the late 1990s. Okay, in 2014, guess how many independent dairy farms Kentucky still had?

Hilda
How many?

John
800. So this is an organization that served its members so well it got rid of 90% of them. So we’re meeting with these gentlemen behind closed doors at the Governor’s Office of agricultural policy in the state of Kentucky, at the governor’s office. And we sit down at the table, we exchange pleasantries, and as we begin the talk, they basically tell us, if you do not drop this bill, bad things will happen to you. So one of my friends who’s at the meeting says, Hey, so and so, are you threatening us? And the guy got up from his side of the table, walked around the our side of the table and put his fist right in my friend’s face. And so, you know, when we talk about the meat mafia and the milk mafia, we’re really not joking, like these are, these are people who are more than willing to harm others, to have this kind of complete and total control of the US Food System. And I’ve been in the room with these people and like seen them make the threats firsthand at this point,

Hilda
Oh my gosh,

John
It was hard for me to believe, before that meeting, that literally grown people would threaten to hurt other people, you know, because it takes a few pennies out of their pocketbook.

Hilda
Yeah, it seems like the stuff of fiction or, you know, old black and white films, but it really can happen today. So let’s back up with the ostensible purpose of securing the flocks and protecting us from disease. There was NAIS. What other legislation has been attempted to get this tagging and this tracking in place?

John
Yeah, well, there’s been four or five different programs over the years that the USDA has tried to impose, and I don’t remember all of their names. Congresswoman Hageman out of, I believe she’s out of Wyoming, in 2009… through grassroots rebellion… So there’s this great video on YouTube of the 2009 USDA listening hearing in Louisville, Kentucky. So the USDA, when they tried to do NAIS, they were required to hold these hearings. And just like so many of us showed up to the listening hearing and the protest at the listening hearing that I think only one in 10 people were actually let into the building for the hearing that the USDA was holding. And we were greeted by Kentucky State Troopers. Um, so Wendell Berry, who, for some people, is just a legend in agriculture, he was at this hearing back in 2009 and his opening remarks, he gets to take the stand to make remarks about this program. He goes, “in all of my life as a farmer. (Wendell Berry’s been farming literally decades and decades and decades. Been to hundreds of agricultural meetings over his life.) He goes, “I have never been to a meeting where I was greeted by law enforcement at the door.” And he goes, “when I asked them why law enforcement was here, the law enforcement responded Kentucky farmers.” And he looked at the USDA officials, and he goes, “It really shows what you think of your constituents when you want protection from us, because you know you’re not serving our best interests, you’re serving yourself.” So there’s been this attempt at at, you know, upgrading animal ID for decades now, yeah, and this new ID rule that goes into effect. I believe the very first week of November is just the latest head to regrow on this Hydra that we keep trying to lop off until it finally permanently goes away.

Hilda
So is it actually going to go into effect nationwide?

John
Yeah. Yeah, the first part of the rule goes into effect, I believe the first or second week of this November, 2024 and it’s not the huge NAIS program that they originally tried to push through. I think they’ve realized, you know, what they’re trying to do now is do piecemeal. We’re going to start only with steers that are traveling across state lines. And then in 2025 we’ll make it all cattle and just certain type. And then in 2026 we’ll … But their goal, they’ve made it clear, is every single agricultural animal is to be individually, radio frequency ID, tagged and tracked.

Hilda
So what do you say, John, to the person who’s like you’re just a person who doesn’t want to advance with modern technology, this is actually going to help us, because, yes, it will stop us from, you know, getting diseased herds, and it will help us keep track of our animals. What’s your argument or defense against that accusation?

John
I mean, I don’t want to continue advancing technologically.

Hilda
Oh, that’s true then,

John
Because, you know, sometimes I write the Technology as Servant column for Weston A Price. And I’m a big fan of technology that actually serves people. And, the first question I would say is, this is like with food borne illness technology, you know, or as WAPFers, we discuss pasteurization or egg washing as an example. Some technologies do make things better, but what a lot of technology does is merely cover for the mistakes of people who are lazy or money grabbing or who refuse to do good work. So you know, in America, most states require you to wash eggs that are for sale. But if you do a survey of the world, I think more countries prohibit egg washing than require it. And then you step back and ask, why? Exactly? Because you see, like, if everybody’s required to wash their eggs, there’s no incentive for good husbandry. There’s no incentive for good hygiene with your chickens. There’s no incentive to keep the laying boxes clean, because a triple Clorox bath is going to take care of all of your laziness on the backside, but if you’re legally not allowed to wash your eggs, then you’re incentivized to do a good job. And so like with animal ID, where does most disease come from in our animal herds? It comes from improper nutrition, improper rotation. It comes from improper herd management, and all of these other things. All animal ID will let people do is get antibiotics and vaccines to the sick animals faster. It doesn’t do anything to actually improve animal health.

Hilda
Yeah, it reminds me of the irradiation of meat. Some years ago, people were complaining that in the slaughterhouses, the feces of the cattle were getting in the meat. So instead of cleaning up the slaughterhouse or processing practices, the government decided, oh, what we’re gonna do is irradiate all the meat, so we’re just gonna get rid of all the stuff, or the bacteria that could be on the meat. So it was addressing a symptom, but not going to the root cause. And the same seems to be happening here.

John
Yeah, and this is like almonds. You know, if you eat almonds in America at the store, I think all almonds in America can be labeled as raw, but they are actually pasteurized. So the federal government requires pasteurized almonds to be labeled as raw, and all almonds have to be pasteurized, though they’re grown in America for the most part, there’s, like, very, very few exceptions to this almond rule. And well, where did this almond rule come from that required pasteurization for almonds? Well, because we had a few salmonella and other outbreaks with almonds. And you’re like, how on earth do you get salmonella in almonds? Well, it’s because the groves became more and more intensively grown and packed, which means there’s less sunlight that kills off pathogenic bacteria and other things making it you know, it was because of bad practices. But instead of saying, hey, let’s address the bad practices. We. say, let’s pasteurize everything. Let’s irradiate everything,

Hilda
Right? So, in light of what you’re saying, John, it makes me wonder if some farmers are in favor of this RFID because it makes life easier for them.

John
Individual farmers, I’m sure there are some, but, you know, I can’t speak for farmers in America, because there’s so many of them. I know organizations that actually represent farmers, like our calf farm action and similar groups. I know they are not a fan of this. I know organizations that represent meat packers and meat processors, you know, the big four or five companies that actually control all the meat that makes it to people’s plates. They’re, you know, they present themselves – this is like the like Farm Bureau, who claims to represent farmers, but actually is just another branch of the USDA at this point, you know. So, so you have this battle in agriculture between groups that actually speak for the farmers, and then groups that, at least in the public’s eye, pose as speaking for farmers, but are actually the head of industry front groups?

Hilda
Yes, let’s talk about that. I think you told me that you recently heard from the National Cattlemen Beef Association with some statement about this RFID legislation.

John
Yeah. So you know Mike Calichrate, really great guy. He sent me this article just before I got on the on this call with you. So it’s an opinion piece by the National Cattleman’s Beef Association president in action on animal traceability. It’s unacceptable. The future of the US cattle industry hinges on our ability to swiftly respond to disease outbreaks, yet some groups and individuals continue to fight the tools that could protect our livelihoods. The most recent rule to come under fire is USDA, animal disease traceability regulation. You know, then he goes on to say, USDA has a new rule that calls for the use of an electronic identification tag in breeding cattle. He just goes on and on about why we need this, why cattle and, notice, he positions themselves as speaking for cattle producers. But then here’s the rub, it is past time for cattle producers to create an industry led, an industry controlled solution to disease, traceability.

Hilda
Oh, that sentence says a lot – industry led, and industry controlled. Wow,

John
Yes. Because, again, he’s, you know, because again, the the biggest problem with farming in America is that the farmers don’t like the farming system they are trapped inside of. So years and years ago , just up the road from where we live is the cattle auction house for this entire region of Kentucky. Now, normally, when you go to an auction like, let’s say we’re going to an art auction together. How many sellers are there at an art auction?

Hilda
None of them. I think.

John
Well, there’ll be a few sellers. You have to sell something to have something at an auction. Obviously,

Hilda
I don’t go to auctions very often, but go on,

John
They might be selling 20, 30, pieces of art. Yeah, at an art auction, how many buyers will show up at an auction?

Hilda
Well, from the movies, it seems like a lot. Yes,

John
Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of buyers. This is how an auction works. Few sellers, lots of buyers. So have you ever been to a cattle auction? So I go to my local cattle auction after meeting a really, really sweet elderly man who lived down the road from us, who’s a beef farmer. I show up at the cattle auction. I’m there for like, three or four hours with my neighbor. Guess how many people were selling cattle that day?

Hilda
I don’t know. 10, 20?

John
400, or 500 farms in the area had cattle for sale that day. Guess how many buyers.

Hilda
I’m seeing the idea that it’s the inverse.

John
It’s one. Have you like, how does an auction work when it’s all sellers and and you say to yourself, Well, why are there no other buyers? Yeah, because when there’s only four or five players in the beef industry, they’re all buddies, these large corporations, and they’ve said. To each other. Why would we bid against each other and give these farmers more money? So most of the major cattle auctions have one or two buyers at most, and hundreds and hundreds of farmers trying to sell their cattle.

Hilda
So farmers can see that the situation is stacked against them. They can’t very well get actually what their cattle is worth when there is this monopoly of just a few companies buying their cattle.

John
Yeah, and this is why the four or five meat packers in America continue to post record profits year after year after year, and American beef farmers and pig farmers continue to go bankrupt and out of business, because from the moment they sell their cattle, they are in a system designed to enrich basically a group of enemies.

Hilda
Wow. Well, so going back to this ID method, I can see how it will impinge on the farmer with boots on the ground who wants to do things unhindered and actually do them right. But how does it affect the consumer? Like, why should I care as “Joe Buy-my-meat-at-the-grocery-store”, if this goes into effect or not?

John
Yeah. So for consumers, there’s a number of things. One is, this is something Pete Kennedy and Catherine Austin Fitts have talked about, you know, there’s a huge push right now. You know, over in Europe, there is a huge push to criminalize animal farming

Hilda
That’s right under I heard about that.

John
Yeah, like countries like Norway are requiring less animals to be raised. They have like, national targets for less animals. Which is crazy, and so and then you have this push for lab grown meat. I always love – there’s this meme that goes around on the internet of somewhere that’s about to get hit by a hurricane, and it shows the meat case in the grocery store. And the meat case is empty as far as the eye can see, except for the fake soya, other meat and like, even in an emergency, people won’t eat this. Yeah, so part of the reason they’re playing up bird flu and disease traceability is they’re trying to scare people into accepting bug-based and plant-based meat. Because, you know, you can go look at all the marketing and sales data, even with the billions of dollars that Bill Gates and others are spending on these things, no one’s really buying it. You know, no one wakes up in the morning and says, I want to eat a burger made out of crickets instead out of Bessie,

Hilda
Absolutely. Yeah. So they’re they’re doing their darndest, but the public is too smart for that. They’re not falling for it, and yet, they are trying to push through legislation that could impinge our freedom to buy the real meat that we want to eat.

John
Yes, and so Catherine Austin Fitts said at Rogue Food that we did at Polyface, you know that animal ID, just like digital currency, digitizing animals, digitizing currency, is basically all part of a long term game plan to reduce everybody to little widgets in their fake food, fake currency system, so they can extract maximum control, maximum value out of you, and so that you have minimum choice. You know, they still want to give you the illusion of choice, like The Matrix, but it’s an illusion of choice, not a reality of choice because, why do they want to do a digital currency, a centralized bank, digital currency, which they’ve talked about for years now? Well, because they would know how you spent every single dollar that you owned. Why do they want to digitize animals? Because they will know who has every single animal, where it is. It’s this just, it’s a type of surveillance and knowledge that even if I agreed, which I don’t agree at all, but even if it made our food supply safer, for the sake of argument, it’s not prudent to give anybody that level of knowledge and control over the populace in exchange for a marginal increase in safety.

Hilda
Yeah, wow, that’s a great way to put it. And what I’m thinking about are some of our listeners and friends who are like, You know what? I’m just going to opt out of this system altogether. My question to you, John is, can’t we just draw up private buying club agreements and somehow just opt out, even if they mandate or push through this RFID situation. Can’t we just do things on the side with our own little farmers? Or will that be against the law?

John
No, no, you will not escape. So like the national animal identification system, it applies all the way down to homesteaders, even animals you are raising for your own consumption were required to be RFID tagged. And also, I should have mentioned this, but Pete and others have pointed out, once all the animals are RFID’d, forcing mandatory vaccination and other things, becomes very, very easy. RFID is a gateway to even greater mRNA vaccination and other things into the food supply, because all of that can be tracked on these upgraded tags and then, uh oh, your animal didn’t get all of its mRNA vaccines. Butcher’s not allowed to butcher it. Sorry. This animal is condemned.  The inspectors in Indiana destroyed something like 10 or 15 pigs for no reason. And so it’s stuff like this, where you realize where they really plan to go with these technologies, how they actually plan to use them, especially when the head of the USDA and the head of FDA are all ex-heads of pharmaceutical companies and other such things. Well, why do they want these programs? Because, well, right now it’s impossible for them to know which animals had all of their vaccines and all of their this and their that.

Hilda
But with this in place, they’ll be able to track and enforce and …

John
Again, it’s all under disease. And as you and I know, Hilda, nothing makes you safer from disease like a vaccine. And farmers have been very resistant to embracing mRNA vaccines and other stuff. And so they know there’s a lot of non-compliance already in the farming sector, and they’re looking for ways to, again, it’s, it’s a way they will get richer, because once everybody has to RFID tag, then they can say everybody has to have all of these vaccinations. And again, it’s just like the same play with people.

Hilda
It’s a little creep. It reminds me of after 911 how they started putting up these security checkpoints at airports that they had never had before. And so many years later, that was in 2001 I think here we are with still all of that security in place and and then some. So there’s kind of this creep. I want to ask you, though, as we get close to the end of this very special episode, you said that this legislation, the first part of it, is going to be put into effect in early November, is it too late to stop it?

John
No, that’s what I am working on. This is kind of, you know, Joel Salatin and I started rogue food conference years ago to address grassroots change, encouraging people in creative circumvention and non-compliance with out of control regulation and food and farming. And I told Joe, I’m using our rogue food Texas event as a rallying point to stop RFID again, you know? So there’s three ways right now we’re trying to stop RFID. Hopefully we’ll have a website up by the time people are listening to this podcast called comeandtagit.com and that was inspired by Thomas Massie, who made a post on his Twitter account saying, (Congressman Thomas who’s actually keynoting at Weston A Price in Florida.) Thomas Massie said, Come and tag it USDA, because I will not comply.

Hilda
And so I hear that kind of taunting attitude in the name of the website. That’s great, though, because we do what you’re trying to. You, (and I want to hear more about this three pronged attack, or three pronged defense, from this invasive and continually growing overreach of government). But it’s important to empower the people, and I see that you’re about that, John, so yeah, continue on.

John
So there is this. So the first part is Congresswoman Hageman. I believe she’s out of Wyoming. She has a bill to have Congress kill RFID so I don’t have the bill number and stuff handy. You know, we can get it in the show notes. And this is all going to be on the come and tag it website, if you’re a person, if you’re just an eater, you’re a homesteader, you’re a farmer, whoever you are, listening to this, and you want to know what, what can I do? The first thing is, is to call your senator and Congressman and and tell them why they need to co sponsor Hageman’s bill to kill RFID and we’ll give you all the talking points and everything else you need to really address that. Then the second thing we’re doing is, Joel and I and Thomas Massie and others are just encouraging, once again, letting the USDA know that nobody’s going to comply because that’s what we did in 2009. People just made it clear to the USDA, nobody’s going to do this. We are not going to tag our animals. You will have to drag us off to jail, but we are not going to do this. There is no universe where we are going to comply with such an intrusive, invasive program that further causes consolidation and control in the meat industry into the hands of the Packers and the middlemen. Then the third thing we’re going to do, if it’s necessary, is we’re going to counter sue the USDA. So we’re going to find farmers and homesteaders in certain parts of the country who are willing to sue the USDA and take this to court if we need to, obviously that we don’t want to have to go that route, because it’s expensive. Litigation is just it stinks. It’s such a pain. But we’re hopeful by using all three of these, one of them will kill this once again, and then maybe we can go after things like the Beef Checkoff Program or some of the other nonsense that goes on in the beef industry.

Hilda
I’m curious if the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, or Leslie Manookian’s group, the Health Freedom Defense Fund, if they can participate in helping to back up this legislation, if you do indeed have to counter sue.

John
Yeah, well, hopefully they will. I’ve never heard of Leslie’s group, and I’d love you know after the show connect us, because I’m sure they’d you know, because, again, like, the RFID is intimately tied to mRNA fake meat and all of these other things that are being pushed through, and the whole climate change nonsense, it’s just so sad just north of us. And you know, we live outside a little town called Irvington. They’re turning hundreds of acres of farmland into solar panels. It’s horrifically ugly. The amount of fossil fuel they’re burning to put in these solar panels, to put in these huge solar installations, is easily, way more energy than they’re ever going to get back out of these panel installations. And they’re eating up all of this farmland to do it. And I’m just like, This is crazy, you know? So for listeners, there’s all of these different games being played with the food supply, but the end goal is always more control, more money out of your pocket and your farmer’s pocket, and more control into the corporations and the governments over your life and your farmer’s life.

Hilda
Wow. Well, this has been a very important conversation, a very serious one, but also a very heavy one, John. And as you know, we like to end the show on a hopeful note. So give me a word of hope, and then I want to pose to you the question I love to pose at the end about how we might improve our health. So maybe beyond the calls to our senators and our representatives, is there something else that we can do to help roll back this tide of control and overreach?

John
Oh, I mean, we’re going to win. So it’s just like, I have no doubt we will eventually prevail. Because like Joel Salatin. Thomas Massie, there’s enough of us who just – we don’t care how hard you squeeze. We are not going to do this. And I’m sure there’s so many people listening. And if you if you want to meet people like that, people are just like, Nope, I’m not going to wear a mask no matter what, not going to take a jab, no matter what. Come join us at Rogue Food Texas. We have a discount set up for Weston A Price people. We’re going to be in Texas in November. We’re going to be in Florida in March, and then in Ohio in September. So come join us, you know, and join our little band of merry non-compliant miscreants, because that’s why we’ve made so much progress with raw milk. You know, your your listeners, who might be newer, you know, I got into raw milk in 2005 when farmers in Kentucky were getting SWAT teamed and buying clubs were getting SWAT teamed. You know, Rawsome in California, yeah, SWAT teams, guns drawn, running into a hippie food Co Op. Wow. And why isn’t that happening anymore? Because people just said, I know I’m going to keep drinking raw milk, I’m going to keep eating unvaccinated meat. I’m going to have a cow whose whereabouts you aren’t privy to. So I have no doubt we will prevail.

Hilda
Yes, that massive non-compliance is life changing, and really freedom-giving, right? Because we’re not just one person at a time, though it does happen one individual at a time. It’s happening together. So now I want to pose to you the question I love to pose at the end, if the listener could only do one thing to improve their health, John, what would you recommend that they do.

John
Eat more organs?

Hilda
Hey, okay, we haven’t gotten that one very often. Yeah.

John
Well, you know, for me, I’ve been a Weston A Pricer since 2005 so almost, you know, next year makes 20 years. And the thing I have seen that has made the biggest difference in my health that I wish I would have done way sooner, is I started taking a freeze dried organ supplement a company, One Earth Health fasil. He wanted to sponsor rogue food because of his design. You know, he cares deeply about what Joel and I care about. And as part of sponsoring good food, he sent me samples of a bunch of his animal organs to try. And I was like, hey, you know, it’s like, you know, it’s just taking freeze dried organ pills. And, like, three months later, four months later, my wife, Jessica goes, she goes. It’s been a while since you’ve been sick. And now, you know, I’m like, a year down the road, and I’ve had like, two very, very minor colds, I think, that I got over very quickly. And about the only thing I have really changed health and diet wise, is adding organs. And you know, Sally’s talked about, I just, I never really took Sally seriously enough how important it is to eat animal organs if you want to have robust health in all areas of life. So Sally was right. I should have taken her more seriously sooner.

Hilda
I love it well. Thank you so much for this conversation. On behalf of the Weston A price Foundation, John, we appreciate you.

John
Yeah, I appreciate you all. Thank you so much.

Hilda
Our guest today was John moody. Check out his websites, roguefoodconference.com, and comeandtagit.com and again, if you’ve appreciated the information and this podcast, support our work. Become a member of the Weston A Price Foundation right now. There’s a special going on. It’s only $25 in honor of our 25th anniversary. Go to westonaprice.org and join today. And thank you so much for listening, my friend, stay well and remember to keep your feet on the ground and your face to the sun.

About John Moody

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He is a well known homesteader and farmer, and author of five books, including the Food Club and Co-op Handbook, The Elderberry Book, and the Frugal Homesteader Handbook.

John has extensive experience beating the government at its own games and helping others do the same. His buying club was the first in the nation to be raided by health authorities… and win. He has helped dozens of others across the nation do likewise.

 

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