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LM: Exactly. And that is what is being rolled out. I think the media are actually developed symptoms. It is not that they
really hyping this, yet the tests being used don’t tell us what we are be- are asymptomatic, but that their immune system
ing told that they tell us. Now the media are pushing new antibody tests just took care of it. They were capable of fight-
that hopefully will tell us what we want to know, which is who has been ing it off and don’t have any issue with it. I have
exposed and developed antibodies and therefore isn’t susceptible anymore. read that 99 percent of the people who actually
Yet even those antibody tests are not black and white, and there is a reason get it and have symptoms actually respond fine
for that. Because we know from tetanus and other pathogens that someone without any kind of medical intervention. I am
can have sky-high antibodies and not be immune, or have no antibodies not downplaying those people who are suscep-
and be immune. In the case of measles vaccines, we know that 10 percent tible and become ill or have died, but it is only
of people who get vaccinated are what we call “non-responders.” They a very tiny minority, especially those who have
never mount an antibody response. Now that doesn’t mean that their body a comorbidity or who are elderly. I am simply
is not immune to it, it just means that they don’t have what some scientists questioning whether or not the reaction to this
have decided is the key criterion to look at in the blood to see whether has been commensurate with the risk. I don’t
someone is immune. That is not necessarily immunity—because you believe that is the case.
can have no antibodies and still be immune. The subject of immunity is
much more complex than what the media are suggesting. HG: Even Fauci’s numbers have gone down. At
first, wasn’t he saying millions of Americans
HG: If I am understanding you correctly, I may have had the coronavirus would get sick? And now he is saying thousands.
already and didn’t know it; I was asymptomatic because my immune He has modified his predictions, but yet there
system was strong. Should I be staying home because I might pass it on is this talk about “flattening the curve” and
to someone, or is that a fallacy? extending the lockdown and social distancing.

LM: I believe this idea that millions of people are asymptomatic is a fal- LM: Let’s talk about “flattening the curve.”
lacy. I think that what has actually happened is that their body has been What we now know from Britain and California
exposed to the virus, recognized it, dealt with it, and it is not a problem. is that this is more contagious than we expected,
So, I think that this is another way that they are frightening people. I meaning that more people have been exposed
think that some of the health authorities are not being straightforward to it, and it is less deadly than expected. From
with people. The fact that Britain is now saying that half the population the early numbers, they were saying 8 and 10
may have been exposed but they are not all sick proves that. percent case fatality rate, and then they said 3
to 4 percent from China. Dr. Fauci has written
HG: I heard Dr. Anthony Fauci say that if enough people got infected in the New England Journal of Medicine that
with it, we would have herd immunity. But he said we don’t want that. the true case fatality rate is probably closer to
0.1 percent, which is nothing more serious than
LM: Dr. Fauci did say that. I think it is a very telling remark. He and a flu. The question is, why is he saying that in
his sponsors (the main one being Bill Gates) don’t want many people to private in the medical field, yet he is spreading
have had it and develop herd immunity naturally. Why do you think that fear in the public domain? I think that is a really
would be? Because they want to mass vaccinate everybody; they both important question that people need to ponder.
have said, “no mass gatherings until mass vaccination.” To me, it is one Second, we need to understand that the
of the reasons they have pushed so hard on a lockdown. They don’t want people who are driving and controlling the
people who are not susceptible to get it, be exposed to it and develop narrative in the media often have a horse in the
antibodies—there would be no market for their vaccine. race. If you look at the first major models that
came out, they were released from Imperial
HG: What you are saying is challenging most of our understanding about College London, and this is the model that says
why there is a lockdown. Most of our information is telling us we are on over two million Americans and five hundred
lockdown to safeguard the public health and to flatten the curve. thousand British could die. That information
was spread all over the media. Imperial Col-
LM: I think “flattening the curve” is the absolute wrong thing to do. lege takes money from the Gates Foundation.
There are many scientists and doctors who are coming out saying that. The man who wrote the model, Neil Ferguson,
The reason for that is based on what I talked about with respect to Britain walked it back several weeks later saying, “Well
and California. Millions more people have been exposed but have not actually, I don’t think it is going to be that bad.”

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