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When he testified in front of Parliament he said, LM: Twenty years ago, Microsoft was the subject of major antitrust
“Actually, in Britain, we think that the death lawsuits in both the U.S. and Europe. The company was dragged into
rate isn’t going to be five hundred thousand; court in front of the Federal Trade Commission and the European Trade
it probably will be twenty thousand people, Commission for its anti-competitive practices. It was threatened with
and more than half of those would have died being broken up because Bill Gates is reputed to be a very mercenary
anyway this year.” In other words, he was off businessman. He did things that were incredibly anti-competitive. He was
by a factor of fifty. Yet, no one is pushing back operating as a monopoly and trying to put any competition out of busi-
except Oxford University. A team of Oxford ness. The U.S. government was going to break up Microsoft, but instead,
epidemiologists said they thought Ferguson’s Microsoft only got a small fine—I think it was three or four hundred
numbers were grossly exaggerated and that the million dollars. Gates was forced to step down as CEO, but he stayed on
assumptions were wrong. Ferguson actually sits as chairman of the board. Interestingly, within a year or two, he started
on committees at the World Health Organization doing all of this philanthropic work. That was when the Bill & Melinda
(WHO), which also takes huge money from the Gates Foundation really began, and he started putting billions and billions
Gates Foundation. of dollars into it. I don’t know what is in it now—at a minimum, sixty
billion dollars, but it may be more like eighty or ninety billion dollars.
HG: To play the devil’s advocate, let’s say that I think that the timing of Gates’ recent resignation from the Micro-
Neil Ferguson was simply mistaken. He has no soft board and from the board of Berkshire Hathaway (which is Warren
horse in the race but just made some erroneous Buffett’s organization) is very interesting. It’s also interesting that Sergey
assumptions and backpedaled because he real- Brin and Larry Page, who founded Google, stepped down from Google
ized he was wrong. Is that a possibility, too? in January. A lot of CEOs have stepped down in the last few months.

LM: If that were the case, why didn’t everybody HG: What do you make of that?
stop the lockdown? Why did they move for-
ward? And here is another thing. I don’t think LM: I don’t know. I am not even going to speculate. I find it very peculiar
I fully completed the idea of “flattening the with respect to Larry Page and all these others. With respect to Bill Gates,
curve,” and whether or not that is a good thing. I think it is very clear that he wants to work on his pet project, which is
The best thing you can do with an illness that is vaccinating the population. That is his true objective.
not particularly dangerous is to have everybody
get it. Because if everybody who is not at risk HG: And the truth is, most people have heard of the Bill & Melinda Gates
gets it, it actually provides true herd immunity Foundation but don’t know what they are about. There is actually a his-
and protects those who are at risk. You have the tory—and it is not a pretty one—of what he has been doing with forced
elderly, those with diabetes, those with heart vaccinations in India and in African countries. But what I have heard
problems and others who are at risk self-isolate. him saying right now about our situation in the U.S. is that he thinks
Take care of them. Let everybody else get it, and sooner or later we will have to have some kind of “certificate” proving
then they are protected. Wouldn’t that be the best that we have either had the coronavirus and dealt with it or proving that
thing to do? No drugs, no vaccines, no risk to we have had a vaccination.
them. But you need a lot of fear to sell vaccines.
That is what happens. Frighten people—and LM: Let me break it down for you. The Gates Foundation started the
they will take it, demand it and even beg for a Gavi Alliance, which is a global alliance for vaccines. The foundation
vaccine. Following up on your point about Fauci, gave Gavi seven hundred fifty million dollars to get going and has given
what he said about not wanting people to develop them several billion dollars since then. Between 2016 and 2019 alone, the
herd immunity lets the “cat out of the bag.” He Gates Foundation gave Gavi one and one-half billion dollars. The Gates
doesn’t want herd immunity to develop in the Foundation funds vaccine makers all over the world. The Gates Founda-
population. Now why would that be? Because tion gave one hundred million dollars to the NIH and over thirteen million
they want a vaccine. He is developing one of dollars to the CDC. They gave over two hundred million dollars to the
Gates’ vaccines in his own group at the National World Health Organization (WHO) in 2018 alone. The Gates Foundation
Institutes of Health (NIH), which has accepted and Gavi are in the top four of all donors in the entire world to the WHO.
one hundred million dollars from Gates. The U.S. is the number one donor (at roughly two hundred eighty million
dollars); the Gates Foundation is number two at two hundred twenty-nine
HG: How did Gates become involved? million (which is just for 2018 alone). The UK is just behind the Gates
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