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RM: Food was part of the problem but like a  is just a horrible way to live. And then there   I calculated
            lot of things, it also turned out to be part of the  was the exercise diet where I was going to the
            solution. I worked in the software industry and  gym twice a day—just burning myself up. And   that on some
            one thing about that industry is you spend a lot  I actually lost weight on these, but these diets  days I was
            of time at your desk in front of the computer. If  are unsustainable. They don't work over the   putting away
            you're writing code, reviewing code or design-  long term. In every case where I lost weight on
            ing software, there's not a whole lot of time to  a diet, I gained it all back. I was a vegetarian for   up to seven
            go out and eat. The software companies want  a year and lost some weight but then gained it  thousand
            employee productivity and so they make eating  right back. The change for me came one day on   calories.
            very easy. They bring in pretzels and donuts;  the way to work. I felt so terrible that I decided
            sodas from the machine costs only ten cents  I was going to fast for that day. And I did and
            per soda or they are even free. And so it was  felt pretty good. At dinner time I did get some
            really easy to put down lots of junk food very  food—grilled chicken with vegetables, and I
            quickly at work. I calculated that on some days I  drank water. When I woke up the next morning,
            was putting away up to seven thousand calories.  I felt 50 percent better and thought, “Wow that
            And many of my colleagues were doing the  was amazing!” so I did it again a second day.
            same thing. It's not uncommon in the software  And when I woke up the third day I felt like a
            industry to find overweight people.       new man. I could not believe it. At first I thought
                                                      I must have been eating some kind of magic
            HLG: So how did you figure out that the food  chicken. But then I realized: no it's not what
            you were eating wasn't the best, that you needed  I was eating. It's what I wasn't eating. I wasn't
            to change what you were eating? You must have  eating the potato chips and a lot of processed
            tried a million diets?                    food out of the vending machine. That's when
                                                      the light bulb went on.
            RM: I would say a million and one diets. I talk
            about them in my book A Life Unburdened.  HLG: In your book you mention that your wife
            One of the diets we did was the cabbage diet,  was struggling also, that both of you were in this
            where we basically ate a lot of cabbage—which  together. How did the light bulb go on for her?


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